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doberdup2 56M
82 posts
6/20/2017 12:59 pm

I think there are many reasons that people mistrust science. It is a complicated issue.

To be honest, some of the blame lies with the scientific community. For instance, it was major advances in science, engineering, technology, etc. that gave us coal-fired power plants, nuclear weapons, etc.

But, a large part of it of course, is that people believe what they want to believe....

And, people want to believe that they are smart. Nobody wants to think that they are stupid, and that's understandable. I think scientists and those of us who believe in the scientific method need to do a better job of educating people without making it seem like we are talking down to them. This is tough, but essential work.


brandygirasol 54T
9365 posts
6/20/2017 1:05 pm

Well I've Always Believed There Is No Such Thing As Settled Science- Because What We Think We Know Always Changes As Time Passes With Newly Gained Knowledge. Also Much Of Science Has Been Politisized To Further Non Scientific Agendas. Sometimes Individual Perspectives Evolve As Well. For Example I Used To Believe In Evolution- MAN Evolving From The APES ... And Now I Don't Understand How I Could Have Ever Believed That Super Tough Neanderthals Somehow Evolved Into Frail Delicate Human Beings- While At The Same Time Existing In This World's Harsh Environment? Only The Total Opposite Happening Would Make Any Kind Of Common Sense In My Opinion...


doberdup2 56M
82 posts
6/20/2017 1:17 pm

Actually humans are apes. The fossil evidence indicates that all of us apes (bonobos, chimps, orangutans, gorillas and humans) evolved from a common primate ancestor.

Also, the fossil record and DNA studies provide good evidence that modern humans evolved separately from neanderthals. in fact, for a while, both neanderthals and modern humans were living side by side in Europe. In fact, there was likely some interbreeding between our two species.


brandygirasol 54T
9365 posts
6/20/2017 1:32 pm

    Quoting doberdup2:
    Actually humans are apes. The fossil evidence indicates that all of us apes (bonobos, chimps, orangutans, gorillas and humans) evolved from a common primate ancestor.

    Also, the fossil record and DNA studies provide good evidence that modern humans evolved separately from neanderthals. in fact, for a while, both neanderthals and modern humans were living side by side in Europe. In fact, there was likely some interbreeding between our two species.
Sugar You Didn't Refute My Main Point About Humans In This Environment. Look Around And Notice Every Creature On The Planet Seems To Naturally Belong Here Except Humans. Bugs Mammals Reptiles, Etc Are Born With Fur Hides Hooves, Etc And Don't Need Parents Only Briefly. Humans Need Clothing Shoes Shelter And Parents For Years Before Surviving On Their Own Sooooo Riddle Me That, Batman...!!!


doberdup2 56M
82 posts
6/20/2017 1:51 pm

Many species require parental help early on. Even some bugs, fish, reptiles, etc. The offspring of mammals require much more parental help early on and for longer periods of time than other animals. For many social mammals, such as lions, elephants, etc., even extended relatives help to raise offspring. For primates (including humans), a greater part of the life-cycle is spent in the care of parents than with other mammals. The main reason that humans have been able to take over the world (and I'm not necessarily saying this is a good thing...) is that we have also developed culture (in the anthropological sense of the word). With culture (learned, shared behavior), we have indeed learned how to create things like clothing, shelter, fire, etc. that have allowed us to become the dominant species on the planet.

Finally, to argue that humans are not part of the natural environment is not only factually incorrect, but also (in my opinion), dangerous. it is this kind of thinking that allows Secretaries Perry and Pruitt to somehow suggest that the environment somehow exists independent of humans and our actions.


brandygirasol 54T
9365 posts
6/20/2017 2:00 pm

Sugar- Nice Argument But I'm Not Sold On For Instance How WE Survived Long Enough To Be Able To Invent Fire And Shelter And Clothing... PLUS I Admit To being A Climate Change Skeptic Because Its Been Taken Over By LEFTY Politics. No Worldwide Consensus Among Scientists Except That Humans Can Cause Pollution Not Climate Change. In Conclusion I'm Not Saying I Have The Answers But Humans Evolving From Monkeys Is LAUGHABLE


kezza96 28F

6/20/2017 2:16 pm

Climate change denial at the political level is all down to greed - it's the force that has been driving the world since year dot. Below political level, it's the kind of willful stupidity that produces Doublethink. Anyone who denies science on religious grounds, just back away slowly and avoid eye contact.


IAmMichaelURKnot 62M
14380 posts
6/20/2017 3:05 pm

Head -> wall -> bang! (-> repeat)

I recently participated in a discussion where someone attempted to refute evolution via the canard of mischaracterizing the term "scientific theory" as nothing more than a variant of the word "theory". That assertion was used to justify the old "a scientific theory is not a scientific law..." (no fucking kidding Captain Obvious) self-serving bit of circular reasoning that passes for intelligent discourse in some circles. After twenty minutes or so, I decided further discussion would be a waste of time.

I've pretty much given up posting fact-based, evidence-supported, well-reasoned challenges to the sort of anti-science arguments ( many of them constructed on flimsy foundations of willful ignorance and/or superstition-based belief systems ) which abound on this BDFS. Hell, even some of the "strong progressive" members of this BDFS who describe themselves as persons of reason quickly resort to irrational, emotion-based arguments when easily-accessible available data is used to refute their political belief system-based conclusions.

( This was my long-winded way of saying "Good luck with that". )

I remember now.


IAmMichaelURKnot 62M
14380 posts
6/20/2017 5:23 pm

"Irrationality is not exclusive to any point on the ideological spectrum."

I addressed that point in my comment (when read in context):

...

I've pretty much given up posting fact-based, evidence-supported, well-reasoned challenges to the sort of anti-science arguments ( many of them constructed on flimsy foundations of willful ignorance and/or superstition-based belief systems ) which abound on this BDFS. Hell, even some of the "strong progressive" members of this BDFS who describe themselves as persons of reason quickly resort to irrational, emotion-based arguments when easily-accessible available data is used to refute their political belief system-based conclusions.

...

I remember now.


doberdup2 56M
82 posts
6/21/2017 5:11 am

There are certainly empirical facts. But science is a part of whatever society created and is using it. This is why, for centuries, some of the most highly respected scientists of their day believed and taught (with science on their side) that the white race was the superior race. It took people outside of science to convince society otherwise.


brandygirasol 54T
9365 posts
6/21/2017 6:14 am

WOW I Appreciate All The Progressive LIB Name Calling Of Me For Daring To Question Your Religious Beliefs Over CLIMATE CHANGE And Your Worship Of BIG GOV ... Reminder That I Didn't Say I Have The Answers Whether GOD Or ALIENS Or BIG BANG THEORY That We Are All One Big Accident Or Whatever Else... But Of Course Like All Good LIBS You Resort To Bashing Those Not Of Your Political Persuassion While Insisting You Are The All Knowing Intelligent Ones And Being Open Minded Means I'm DUMB


brandygirasol 54T
9365 posts
6/21/2017 7:33 am

    Quoting  :

Sweety I'm Not Offended At All By Such A Sanctimonious Know It All JACKASS Such As Yourself...


brandygirasol 54T
9365 posts
6/21/2017 8:30 am

"Negative Characterazations" And "Anti Intelkectual Thought" Was Not An Attempt To Bash Me??? Oh Well Whatever....


IAmMichaelURKnot 62M
14380 posts
7/9/2017 7:36 pm

Full moon tonight.

Coincidence?

I remember now.


IAmMichaelURKnot 62M
14380 posts
7/10/2017 7:00 am

    Quoting  :

Disfruta viviendo la buena vida.

Log on to one of the mirror sites like bdsm dot com. The last time I checked that site the color scheme was easier on the eyes.

I remember now.


the_stallion69 51M

7/12/2017 12:28 pm

Science is simply a tool to understand phenomenon. It's never settled BY DEFINITION. It's not ideology, it's not god, whatever the fuck that is. If you care about the truth you care about science. Scientists are no longer debating evolution or climate change. Why? There is no debate. It's over. If you are still beating your head against the wall and trying to argue "but god", you missed the boat a long time ago. I agree with the original poster. "Belief" has nothing to do with it.. at all.



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